tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post1184073535813817405..comments2023-10-24T14:51:45.756+02:00Comments on Bloggertropolis: Aping GodStevehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-65928333557206323682011-10-22T09:34:35.206+02:002011-10-22T09:34:35.206+02:00Mark: well put. It is these "different rules&...Mark: well put. It is these "different rules" which makes me want to kick them up the arse though I recognize that is hardly a balanced and fair response. It does, however, reflect my frustration.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-85735188600864982472011-10-21T23:06:34.528+02:002011-10-21T23:06:34.528+02:00They used to say that faith was belief in the face...They used to say that faith was belief in the face of no evidence; more accurately it is belief in the face of huge amount of evidence. The point to remember about creationist, in my experience, is that they don't operate by the same rules as you or I , or indeed the same rules way they apply to the rest of their lives. The 'I believe in creation' is sort of badge, a kind of uber-faith that gains its equivalent of 'street cred' almost by dint of its ridiculousness. it is more about psychology than logic.The bike shedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05195882998271591934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-30234298385033369522011-10-20T16:26:16.725+02:002011-10-20T16:26:16.725+02:00Autumnraven: oh so with you on that translation th...Autumnraven: oh so with you on that translation thing... all those deliberate mistranslations (thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live that got changed to thou shalt not suffer a witch to live, etc) and all those accidental ones... all those political ones... and people wrapping their souls up in the lot like it's a magic shield. It just ain't good.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-73673372754518140192011-10-20T16:12:40.530+02:002011-10-20T16:12:40.530+02:00Evolution happens now...right now...and yet creati...Evolution happens now...right now...and yet creationists would still vehemently disagree. Funny funny that faith thing. Can't hold it against 'em...faith has a few up points...but really? I came up with something years ago to help deal with the annoying position I was put in growing up, however...<br /><br />Somewhere in the bible it says 'a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day' to God. They actually could have messed up that translation and it could be a billion. So the earth is like 4 billion years old and if you knock out the first 2 billion in creating the sun and the earth itself that puts us in our seventh billion year....<br /><br />And on the 7th day God rested.<br /><br />Hmmmm...<br /><br />But mostly I just laugh because they are putting faith in a book that has been translated by the rich and the powerful for the last thousand years...yeah, have fun with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-1300482773620644262011-10-20T09:06:00.656+02:002011-10-20T09:06:00.656+02:00Lady Mondegreen's Secret Garden: qute an achie...Lady Mondegreen's Secret Garden: qute an achievement all that, isn't it? Maybe I'm a holy man? ;-)<br /><br />TimeWarden: funny, I watched a show on the Beeb last night looking into those superfast nutrinos... seems the foundations of science are being right royally wobbled at the moment. But at least the scientists have the honesty to admit that and to be prepared to review and adapt. That is the biggest plus.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-78523176911205836242011-10-20T08:07:50.974+02:002011-10-20T08:07:50.974+02:00All religion is a lie. The stories in The Bible ar...All religion is a lie. The stories in The Bible are brilliant but to take them literally is no different to believing Bram Stoker's Count Dracula is true! Now I've probably insulted someone or other with those remarks but does it ever occur to Creationists that it works both ways, that science may find doctrinal 'beliefs' taught as truth deeply offensive? No! It's like when you cater for vegetarians. When you eat at theirs, do they lay on meat? Certainly not!!TimeWardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853837867256272087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-49749054760221217982011-10-19T23:16:57.534+02:002011-10-19T23:16:57.534+02:00No I didn't see the Back episode. Fancy that. ...No I didn't see the Back episode. Fancy that. The reality is I can't afford to "watch" stuff. Don't know how you are charged for your broadband in the UK, but video time here really chews through my monthly allotment (and 17 year old does all the chewing) and we have to gasp out on dial-up for a week if I start indulging in good British television!<br /><br />Nice commentary here - Humour,sanity and respect prevailing, which reminds me that I haven't checked on Kellogsville and her sore back for awhile. You've even brought out the benign in Gorilla Bananas!Lady Mondegreen's Secret Gardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07638813551209321151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-42248684814456887232011-10-19T23:07:09.521+02:002011-10-19T23:07:09.521+02:00Owen: in my world view supreme beings don't wa...Owen: in my world view supreme beings don't waste their time leaving trails of red herrings... As for teaching Alice to sing, I'd certainly like to make some lovely music on her fiddle. Her email address, alas, doesn't seem to be working right now. All my replies seem to come from the police. Go figure!<br /><br />Nana Go-Go: that's what I like to see. Someone sticking their neck out and not sitting on the fence!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-23347223862041829572011-10-19T22:19:17.302+02:002011-10-19T22:19:17.302+02:00Charles Darwin Rules....stick that in your creatio...Charles Darwin Rules....stick that in your creationist pipe and smoke it!Between Me and Youhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04863155145862706966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-62563022891303999592011-10-19T22:12:03.696+02:002011-10-19T22:12:03.696+02:00Once again one of my favorite expressions comes to...Once again one of my favorite expressions comes to mind : you should never try to teach a pig to sing, because it wastes your time, and it annoys the pig... <br /><br />One cannot "reason" with blind faith, that's why it's called "blind". I have no patience for proseletyzing (sp.) people who are 100% certain that they own the truth. The only "truth" in my humble point of view is that there is no single brand of truth when it comes to faith. As for evolution ? Hmmm... did some supreme being put all those fossils out there simply as red herrings to throw us off the scent ? :-) <br /><br />Now, teaching Alice to sing would be a whole 'nother subject, and I would love to give that a try. If you can find her real e-mail address, you will pass it on, right ? I have faith in you Steve...Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12622587942009516590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-37794755189375005692011-10-19T22:05:24.415+02:002011-10-19T22:05:24.415+02:00Rol: didn't he go on to form the Marx Brothers...Rol: didn't he go on to form the Marx Brothers?<br /><br />Gorilla Bananas: I suspect you are being far more charitable than we really deserve.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-65691475503380365932011-10-19T21:26:44.551+02:002011-10-19T21:26:44.551+02:00We apes certainly don't kill each other over r...We apes certainly don't kill each other over religious differences, but I regret to say that it happens quite often from disputes over territory and females. More so for the chimps, we gorillas are pacifists most of the time.<br /><br />Anyway, I'm not ashamed of sharing 95% of my DNA with humans. The Creationists may be weak of mind, but they're still my cousins, and blood is thicker than coconut milk.Gorilla Bananashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13044093013423635830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-20977074480926670592011-10-19T21:09:20.923+02:002011-10-19T21:09:20.923+02:00Wow, Steve, you're not still believing in that...Wow, Steve, you're not still believing in that crazy old Darwin dude, are you? Didn't you hear he was exposed as a big practical joker years ago?Rolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103804480646939038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-75871547118560628312011-10-19T19:11:35.843+02:002011-10-19T19:11:35.843+02:00Libby: yes, venturing an opinion either way is dan...Libby: yes, venturing an opinion either way is dangerous. But to me black is black, cold is cold and bullshit is bullshit. When people start saying black is white purely out of faith that it is actually white then I'm afraid I tend to bail out. I don't have any beef with the existence of God. I really don't. I do have beef, however, with people who think we were magically created out of dust when we share a proven 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-17387281267545291092011-10-19T18:44:57.109+02:002011-10-19T18:44:57.109+02:00Oh I used to struggle with this one Steve..I'm...Oh I used to struggle with this one Steve..I'm very much like Kellogsville...and on either side of the coin I found myself wondering 'but how do they really know?'...so I have decided not to worry about it all and just keep my own counsel as it were.libbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05552884005601003691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-13546221185092368252011-10-19T18:27:27.822+02:002011-10-19T18:27:27.822+02:00Marginalia: ah the ol' faith chestnut. Can'...Marginalia: ah the ol' faith chestnut. Can't argue with faith even when the facts prove otherwise. If you believe it's true then it's true for you, yah boo sucks to everyone else. Unfortunately that kind of argument just makes me shrug my shoulders and walk away. I daresay I am no loss to those with 'Faith'.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-31872580766222752112011-10-19T17:08:23.752+02:002011-10-19T17:08:23.752+02:00Serves you right Steve, bothering that lovely youn...Serves you right Steve, bothering that lovely young doctor woman and so clever. <br /><br />"Out of Africa", that was a film in the 80's wasn't it. Nothing to do with evolution.<br /><br />"Planet of the Apes" must be on the creationists' banned list. <br /><br />The thing is "we", that is those with a scientific bent (steady there boy) think we know how things happen. We have a few clues, some rational thought and we arrive at something which we hope approximates to what may actually have happened. <br /><br />Creationist know that God created the earth. End of discussion.Marginaliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175372147298306908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-65501165903723908182011-10-19T16:40:19.328+02:002011-10-19T16:40:19.328+02:00John: child sacrifice?! Whoa! Now we really are ge...John: child sacrifice?! Whoa! Now we really are getting all Old Testament on people's asses!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-13678586180698169172011-10-19T15:43:37.451+02:002011-10-19T15:43:37.451+02:00have you heard any of Francesca Stavrakopoulou'...have you heard any of Francesca Stavrakopoulou's lecures/work?<br />she has an interesting take on the origins of religeon and the debunking of historical perspectives of the same<br /><br />heard her on THE MUSEUM OF CURIOSITY the other week.... you may find her interesting...especially her thoughts on child sacrifice<br />http://en.wikipedia org/wiki/Francesca_StavrakopoulouJohn Going Gentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958171262765033946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-71995456269981355062011-10-19T15:25:06.421+02:002011-10-19T15:25:06.421+02:00Nota Bene: wind up the clockwork engine and let it...Nota Bene: wind up the clockwork engine and let it run. Methinks that's nearer the truth. But then, what do I know? I'm just a wind-up engine (merchant?) myself.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-43479054461274966902011-10-19T15:18:43.508+02:002011-10-19T15:18:43.508+02:00You're lucky Dr Alice is not on my list of fiv...You're lucky Dr Alice is not on my list of five, otherwise there would be fisticuffs. Creationism is what I do when I make Airfix kits. One day God will pop along and tell us which is right, in the meantime, I'm voting for the being creating everything at the beginning and then letting it all grow up.Nota Benehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00969705852180234416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-23158403504511844842011-10-19T14:21:59.426+02:002011-10-19T14:21:59.426+02:00Jon: it would appear, then, that laundry is about ...Jon: it would appear, then, that laundry is about the only thing on this planet that it is safe to believe in. Except when socks mysteriously go missing. Can science or religion explain that? Huh?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-20146801468949746802011-10-19T14:09:56.477+02:002011-10-19T14:09:56.477+02:00"science acknowledges it doesn't know the..."science acknowledges it doesn't know the half of it but can prove what it does know."<br /><br />I'm not going to comment on my faith either, not least because my position is best described as "confused."<br /><br />But since we are being serious, and since I am qualified to do so, being as I was a trained scientist with letters and everything, I'm going to pick up on this point.<br /><br />Science over the past few decades has shown an alarming tendency to build castles on sand. Most obviously this is appearent in the fields of cosmology and particle physics where results that fail to agree with theory have been downplayed in the belief - the faith - that somehow it's all going to come good.<br /><br />This is not good practice.<br /><br />I could write a great deal more on the topic, not least on how what I can only describe as unqualified "fundamentalist anti-theists" are starting to stiffle scientific discussion by howling down anyone who suggests that we need to look anew at some established theories, but I've got a big pile of laundry to do.Jonhttp://www.vendeeblog.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-13987786716611048872011-10-19T11:45:14.674+02:002011-10-19T11:45:14.674+02:00Lady Mondegreen's Secret Garden: sadly not - t...Lady Mondegreen's Secret Garden: sadly not - the series is only a 3 parter but will, no doubt, be available on iPlayer (as everything is these days)? I take it you saw the first episode? The bit about the human back was very interesting and you make a point that is even moreso - we are a hybrid almost. And, of course, I suspect evolution is not yet finished with us.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-77747313139045160972011-10-19T11:37:58.017+02:002011-10-19T11:37:58.017+02:00Agreement :-)
It could also be the sound of the hu...Agreement :-)<br />It could also be the sound of the human back breaking due to its badly compromised design. It has occurred to me that we behave like two different species, they and we.<br /><br />It has just occurred to me too, that in six weeks time I will be able to see some of these TV programmes - au naturel - that you are always talking about. Will Dr Alice still be on then?Lady Mondegreen's Secret Gardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07638813551209321151noreply@blogger.com