tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post4470902215643866031..comments2023-10-24T14:51:45.756+02:00Comments on Bloggertropolis: There Is No DebateStevehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-23975042768151006892015-01-13T07:59:39.553+01:002015-01-13T07:59:39.553+01:00Fredulous Yo: as a subject it certainly does excit...Fredulous Yo: as a subject it certainly does excite a lot of passion... which is good. I think I would be very concerned if the public responded with boredom to this case. It's nice to know that people do actually care about such an emotive subject.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-42705003966519747412015-01-13T05:01:03.591+01:002015-01-13T05:01:03.591+01:00I really enjoyed this. So much passion. And I agre...I really enjoyed this. So much passion. And I agree with you on all accounts. Such disgusting behaviour should not be glamourised. And not only that, it should be condemned.Freduloushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05284068417084482956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-5523751958243131382015-01-09T17:51:05.407+01:002015-01-09T17:51:05.407+01:00Being Me: I find people's counter argument tha...Being Me: I find people's counter argument that "Ched has served his time so should be allowed back to work" irritating. When Rolf Harris is released from prison, can anyone anywhere seriously see him returning to television for another round of Rolf's Cartoon Club? I think not!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-329099694037574652015-01-09T12:07:10.558+01:002015-01-09T12:07:10.558+01:00I agree. I don't believe convicted rapists sho...I agree. I don't believe convicted rapists should be allowed back into any sport where celebrity, perks, luxuries are expected and received. Regardless of a sentence (light or otherwise) already being served.Being Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600427311498297800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-49147800166106739852015-01-09T08:11:18.211+01:002015-01-09T08:11:18.211+01:00K Ville: to be fair your comment was also sober an...K Ville: to be fair your comment was also sober and rational (well, the first one was) but as I also implied on my reply to Barry with my firing squad comments, this case does not provoke a sober and rational response in me. However, as the debate has gone on and various Twitter trolls have attacked Ched and his family and the staff of the football club who were thinking of signing him it's made me accept that mob rule is not a great idea. In which case all there is left is the rule of Law. And there has to be one rule for everyone. So I'm possibly, logically, a little closer to yours and Barry's argument than I was initially. My gut feeling, however, is he still should not be allowed back into the financially rewarding, celebrity lifestyle of professional football. Would you like a quick kick around the garden? I can bring the ball this time?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-3817101223845507462015-01-08T23:39:31.312+01:002015-01-08T23:39:31.312+01:00why did I get a lecture and Barry get a 'sober...why did I get a lecture and Barry get a 'sober and rational'? We said the same damn thing. <br /><br />Yours in huff and taking my ball home (will probably be back out to play tomorrow but I'm not admitting it tonight) *slams garden gate*AGuidingLifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05823333742737762759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-21093162316920615362015-01-08T18:49:34.113+01:002015-01-08T18:49:34.113+01:00Barry: very sober and rational. But not as enterta...Barry: very sober and rational. But not as entertaining as my idea of a celebrity firing squad with his remains being hanged, drawn and quartered and his head being mounted on the bar of the Queen Vic. Maybe I'm just hopelessly out of touch with what people want these days?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-44048787866783396112015-01-08T17:59:01.884+01:002015-01-08T17:59:01.884+01:00Not sure what I think. His crime was pretty unplea...Not sure what I think. His crime was pretty unpleasent, and he's was tried, found guilty, sentanced and served his term in prison. In which case hasn't he paid the penalty society had imposed. <br /><br />There's little point in making him unemployable: much effort is spent by the prision authorities trying to make offeners employable once they leave HM Prisons. He has a trade.<br /><br />All the talk of footballers being role models is crass: as you point out yourself. That shouldn't therefore be an agrument for not allowing him to resume his trade.<br /><br />I suggest that he is allowed to play, unpaid for a year or so. Or he is paid and donates a large percentage of his wage to a suitable cause. That might serve to square this particular circle. Marginaliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175372147298306908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-49380045435452089642015-01-08T08:10:36.881+01:002015-01-08T08:10:36.881+01:00K Ville: there is a clear division in my mind betw...K Ville: there is a clear division in my mind between the response of the Law - which has been served - and a response from the FA regarding the type of chauvinistic, bullish, playboy behaviour exhibited by far too many of the footballers. I suspect Ched isn't alone in his guilt or his disgusting conduct. The FA needs to make a stand. If that means Ched becomes a scapegoat so be it. I'm afraid I have little sympathy for someone who abused his celebrity, privileged lifestyle to abuse another human being. Footballers, like it or not, are also icons to many impressionable young people. They need to set an example. Again, if that is unfair on Ched, tough. There is a young woman out there - probably many young women - who still cannot rebuild her life because of what happened whilst Ched is running around still denying that he did anything wrong. Who maintains that having sex with a young woman who was too drunk to consent was fine. It is not. To allow him back into that playboy lifestyle will make a mockery of the Law and condone his crime and send out all the wrong signals. Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-24701980491003532832015-01-07T23:17:36.294+01:002015-01-07T23:17:36.294+01:00Hmmmm, problem is, he has served his sentence. So...Hmmmm, problem is, he has served his sentence. So maybe the problem is his sentence was too light. But he didn't get a life sentence and he has the right, once he has served his time, to rebuild his life. That is part of our justice system. So whilst I think the whole episode is dreadful and would not condone his behaviour or most of the bad things surrounding the sport you have brought up, I think we cannot pick and choose which criminals lives we wish to continue to punish and control after their sentence is served. So I say again, maybe his sentence was wrong not the return to a job post sentence.AGuidingLifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05823333742737762759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-57109056240541037522015-01-07T22:28:08.486+01:002015-01-07T22:28:08.486+01:00Wanderlust: there was CCTV evidence at his trial t...Wanderlust: there was CCTV evidence at his trial that clearly shows his victim was too inebriated to have had any idea what she was doing. Therefore it is quite clearly rape. End of. I'm appalled at how many people - mostly men it has to be said - who don't get that or won't accept it. It is doubly worrying when football culture informs so many young impressionable minds. It is an aspirational sport. It needs to be taking far greater responsibility over it's perceived image and over it's individual practitioners. As a culture it is chauvinistic and prehistoric in its attitudes. It is in urgent need of some modern re-thinking.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-69044499140971409252015-01-07T22:16:40.965+01:002015-01-07T22:16:40.965+01:00After reading this I googled his name, as I was no...After reading this I googled his name, as I was not familiar with the case. The first thing that came up was a website in his name that is dedicated to his innocence and claims he was wrongly imprisoned. **leaves room to vomit**<br /><br />This is interesting, as there was a similar response to the Ray Rice elevator DV incident over here. So many people jumping to his defense, a very slow and inadequate response by the league, etc.<br /><br />We have lots of work to do yet.Wanderlusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12099758957492165428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-6088219907258638042015-01-07T22:11:48.976+01:002015-01-07T22:11:48.976+01:00The fly in the web: what amazes me is the number o...The fly in the web: what amazes me is the number of people who see Ched's punishment by the legal system as being the end of the matter and that the sport itself bears no responsibility or need to respond. This is untrue. The culture of football is a major contributing factor and needs to be held up to the microscope of society's censure. Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-84873860480150624192015-01-07T21:49:42.553+01:002015-01-07T21:49:42.553+01:00At the higher echelons, no longer a sport but a mo...At the higher echelons, no longer a sport but a money machine..how many differing kits can they persuade parents to buy for their younger fans...what sponsorship can they attract....<br />So I'm not surprised that those up to their necks in the machine see nothing wrong with this man returning to the public eye - after all, he didn't rape a sponsor, did he? That would have really been beyond the pale.<br />Great post, thank you.the fly in the webhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04563871975125538755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-23604249310721472222015-01-07T20:47:42.939+01:002015-01-07T20:47:42.939+01:00Gorilla Bananas: not for the first time, I am in t...Gorilla Bananas: not for the first time, I am in total agreement with you.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-12879863423814417462015-01-07T20:41:38.307+01:002015-01-07T20:41:38.307+01:00I once played football as a goalkeeper and found i...I once played football as a goalkeeper and found it pathetically easy to block all the "shots" at my goal. Then I got sent off for using my fist. How was I supposed to know that I had to punch the ball rather than the fool who was trying to butt it with his head? I concluded that football was a game for boastful humans who have an inferiority complex about apes.Gorilla Bananashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13044093013423635830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-16287818303296612682015-01-07T20:04:00.275+01:002015-01-07T20:04:00.275+01:00LCM: I'm always happiest preaching to the conv...LCM: I'm always happiest preaching to the converted! ;-) Missed the debate; might see if I can catch it on the web.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-2514799956938389422015-01-07T19:54:53.976+01:002015-01-07T19:54:53.976+01:00Not sure if you caught Channel 4 news last night w...Not sure if you caught Channel 4 news last night with Charlie Webster and some plonker 'football agent' (conveniently have forgotten his name) debating the Evans issue?<br /><br />She was articulate and very reserved, got her point home and was non-accusatory as well, quite remarkable and highly admirable.<br />He was, well, a total dick. And most likely someone who was braying on the sidelines as well whilst the dreadful event was taking place.<br /><br />Shameful.<br /><br />And I also loathe football, for all the same reasons as those you have listed above.<br /><br />Brilliant post Steve, as ever.<br /><br />LCM xLondon City (mum)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13700717302832203631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-65735928181629065722015-01-07T18:49:10.796+01:002015-01-07T18:49:10.796+01:00English Rider: a beautiful idea...English Rider: a beautiful idea...Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35009574.post-76075735613709743582015-01-07T18:46:26.590+01:002015-01-07T18:46:26.590+01:00Boycott the sponsorsBoycott the sponsorsEnglish Riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01712384532126551307noreply@blogger.com